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Do salaries really need to rise?

Not exactly surprisingly, the Wall Street Journal confirms today that TARP-inflicted banks are getting ready to increase salaries.

As we pointed out long, long ago, such behaviour became inevitable the moment the US government imposed restrictions on banks receiving TARP money that limited bonuses for the top five executives and top 20 highest earners to no more than one third of total comp.

The Journal says Citigroup and Morgan Stanley are contemplating raising salaries above the $200k self-imposed ceiling currently favoured by most banks. UBS is said to have upped salaries to $300k already.

But does base pay really need to rise to compensate for lower bonuses? As many of you pointed out in a recent debate, living on a salary alone in London isn't particularly easy. But it may be necessary.

One interesting study shows that banking pay has been disproportionately high compared to other sectors ever since the 1980s. Based on its normalization, our own calculations suggest that 68k might be the average for financial services employees in future.

Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism isn't recommending quite so large a drop, but says the current $200k salary ceiling is perfectly reasonable -

Readers can correct me, but my recollection is that salaries for mid and senior level people in the mid-late 1980s were in the $100,000 to $125,000 range. Compound that forward by 3% inflation, you get around $200,000. And while bonuses were bigger than base comp in a lot of areas in most years, they were nowhere near as large as in recent years. And back then, everyone accepted that bonuses were heavily dependent on overall firm results.

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
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    me
    18 March 2009

    @kelsey - thansk for the advice...

    "Sir Richard ha a private jet and island etc etc whilst the rest of the employees make industry average salaries (or at least 'not city salaries'). "

    "whilst the rest of the employees" - he isnt an employee he's the owner....different base case

  • Ke
    Kelsey
    18 March 2009

    @me init -

    read his words again. Carefully. Then re-read. Carefully. If you still don't get it...then....resign your current job before you get fired.

  • me
    me init
    18 March 2009

    @gharandoyle - those examples you give - they own the companies - not work for them - so your analysis is meaningless...MUPPET

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    gharandoyle
    18 March 2009

    The trouble with the city is not the young bucks coming through who think they are worth 56K+, if someone is paying them that then they are. The trouble is the rest of the world that doesn't pay its talent enough. I have the misfortune to work in a country (CH) where the average earnings are about 25K pa and all the wealth sits in the hands of the owners/shareholders. The average citizen doesn't have a lot of money but does have a job at least.

    The city institutions paying for their talent are right and the rest of the countries businesses need to consider sharing the wealth. I'd be interested to know how much - as a %age of revenue - "Hated City Bank" pays its talent vs, say "Crap Manufacturing Company". I suspect city workers are the ones (more) fairly rewarded and the rest of the UK is jealous.

    The best example I can think of is Virgin. Sir Richard ha a private jet and island etc etc whilst the rest of the employees make industry average salaries (or at least 'not city salaries'). How is that fairer compared to RBS/Citibank or Merrills? Rupert Murdoch is another example, SerAlun another etc etc

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    Kan
    18 March 2009

    What do you work as to earn 56k basic + bonus? It will be interesting to know as I am making my career choice. Thnx

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